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Just wondering from folks, with the recent rise in food costs, which I'm certain will only continue to rise....would anyone be interested in creating a local food co-op organization?
What I mean by this is, several families or individuals take care of their own food garden, each growing a variety of things. Family A would be growing a few different items than Family B. Family A and Family B would trade with each other the items the other one didn't have, and so on to to make each family have a wide variety of food to eat each week.
Of course it would take a few years to get a really good system in place, and a bunch of folks totally on board to do this, but I really feel with the rising costs of food and fuel, we need to start looking in this direction. Bananas are going to be $5/pound before we know it!
Just wondering from folks, with the recent rise in food costs, which I'm certain will only continue to rise....would anyone be interested in creating a local food co-op organization?
What I mean by this is, several families or individuals take care of their own food garden, each growing a variety of things. Family A would be growing a few different items than Family B. Family A and Family B would trade with each other the items the other one didn't have, and so on to to make each family have a wide variety of food to eat each week.
Of course it would take a few years to get a really good system in place, and a bunch of folks totally on board to do this, but I really feel with the rising costs of food and fuel, we need to start looking in this direction. Bananas are going to be $5/pound before we know it!
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 9:00 PMI am hella growing tomatoes and eggplant this summer. I need to get used to the climate here and what grows when, but I'm with you Elise. I am so over the cost of food. I am eating like crap because it cost so much. For fall crops I am taking out the whole rest of the backyard for a garden and some chickens. Hell I was even contemplating a small goat. Next year I am starting my plants from heirloom seed so I can save the seed for the following year.
I can totally plant a few extra plants to coordinate crops with people.
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 9:09 PMsweet mo!
i'm planning something similar here. i have my whole upper yard, about 1/8th acre, and will be putting beds in and hope to be finished by fall for some winter veggies. i currently only have some herbs and tomatoes and as with you, i'm trying to get used to this climate and it's growing season and cycles.
i'd love to have chickens, but i have to wait until jack is a little older.
anyone else interested? we could get a potluck dinner meeting together or something?
speaking of putting garden beds in...does anyone know of some free, decent lumber not being used right now? such as someone taking down an old deck, of which the wood is still decent that I could use for raised beds? please let me know if you have any leads. i'm trying to not go out and buy new wood for this project.
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:40 PMI think a summer garden needed to be planted a couple weeks ago so I'm a little behind to get in on this. I'll plant some things and see what comes up. I'm thinking of seeing if my neighbors will put up with some chickens squawking. Of course gas to get it to you will be more than they're worth but I can spare that for a good party down that way. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:26 AMI have about 6 verities of tomatoes in this year. I also planted three different types of bell peppers and some chilies and hot peppers. Last year I grew a couple of different type of beans. I love all kinds of beans. I didn’t put them in this year since I may be moving.
I have trying to put my house up sale if my ex would corporate. As soon as the divorce is final I plan on buying another house. I have been looking at places with a big yard so continue my garden. I would like to get involved in something like this. I had chickens, cows, and pigs gowing up and we grew a majority of our own veggies. (YEP!, Farmer Bill from LA). I don't think I want to go that all out. It was alot of work. How do find out what you can have on a peice of property as far as the county zoning is concerned?
There again, the local food basket thing that Molly was doing last year was great to…
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:29 AMLet' s get a few more peeps on board and have that potluck.
I think you can still put in corn and probably tomatos and peppers and anything that will grow late into the season since our growing season is so long here. I've heard that you just keep planting corn for prolonged harvest, but not sure how far into the summer you can start it. This year is going to be a complete experiment, but I'm totally committed to the observation of my garden dynamics.
As for chickens, we too are going to wait until we can provide the right and safe environ. for them. Raccoons love to eat them up!!!!!
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:31 AMI think anyone's allowed to have chickens, but not roosters. Not Auburn specifically, but all over. I used to have chickens in a small movable pen, so it was small and strong and secure from critters, but it could be moved to new spots every day so they could get new stuff to dig at and look for bugs.
Has anyone seen that movie: The Real Dirt on Farmer John
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:47 AMI agree with Mo, let's get some more people on board and have a potluck to discuss the future of this. This summer none us would have planned in this so let's just use this time to chat and have get togethers to figure it out...plan =)
i tried looking up the ordinance for farm animals but searching online here at school isn't very good these days. i think in auburn city limits you can have chickens for sure and maybe one goat or something. i'm sure there's something on this site but couldn't find it:
www.placer.ca.gov/
but i did find a master gardener composting class:
ceplacer.ucdavis.edu/Gardeni...ning185/
as for the veggie box, that's a great idea..love it! but...it requires an exchange of money. i think having families grow certain veggies and then trade them is more about the barter system and creating community. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:04 AMYou can't have just one goat, they get lonely and let you know about it. Probably you can't really plan on what you'll have, different things do better in different places, even the same place different years, so if you plan on growning several things, one of them will probably have a bumper crop and then you know what you have to trade. I'll have more fun working in my garden knowing I can share stuff from it, and knowing I'll get to trade for other things too. I had way too many egg plants one year, it woulda been fun to turn them into something else! -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:49 PMLove it! A trading system would be great for motivation. Just make sure the goat doesn't get in the garden... -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 4:43 PMI called the city. Chickens are fine..BUT and this is major if you have a small lot.....they have to be greater than 25' from the property line!!!! That's like right in the middle of my house.
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:05 PMElise, I have redwood boards for raised beds you can have. Coordinate with Red to get them delivered. I'm down with all of this and have some experience. Elise I would be willing to help around your place or someone else's in Auburn, but don't have much dirt around mine. It's definitely not too late to start planting if you use transplants. A little late to direct seed summer crops. You can still plant corn, but it's tricky because it requires a large plot for successful pollination. I have had success with the dibble method. No land preparation, close mowing if you have grass or weeds. Soak the seeds overnight. Poke a hole in the ground, drop it in, cover, hope the birds don't find, interplant with squash and beans for the full three sisters garden. I'm up for getting together. Would host a potluck, BBQ, pool party or attend at someone else's. I'm a little laid up right now with a sprained knee, but would still love to participate to the extent possible.
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:48 PM
Sweet! thanks dK! i will talk with red to coordinate. hummm....maybe this will be my 3 day weekend activity =)
I'd love for people to help out around here on big projects when more than one person is required...as well i'd love to help out on projects for others where help is needed, especially where new skills would be learned. we all have so much knowledge to share! hummm...does this sound amish or what? ;-)
oh yeah...and that film about farmer john is great! i love it when he and his girlfriend prance around in the bee costumes!
so far it looks like we have the following interested in a meeting:
elise
mo
dK
stoney
D'nah
supacow
timbshoo?
dK and red's place does sound nice for a first time meeting...they have that lovely large table for us all to sit around =)
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:10 AMI have a garden (Ted, who some of you met at my birthday, is the master gardner and also involved) and actually and I'm having a helluva time with the gophers, who only seem to show up to eat the tomatoes that are a minimum up 3 feet tall. They hit that height and the next morning they are lying prone no longer possessing a root sytem.
Anyway, I am very frustrated with them and have been trying to figure something out.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:39 AM
yay for tomoatoes tony! boohoo on the gophers. are the plants in raised beds or directly in the ground? do you have wire under them or wire baskets around the roots? I'm growing my tomatoes in huge tubs this year since I'm not sure what's living in my yard, but i think i have gophers too...and a lot of rocks. if you can find their entry ways, i've heard you can stick juicy fruit gum in the whole. they can't chew it and end up dying in the hole. another thing you could do it plant gopher purge around the area where you grow your tomatoes.
on another note:
one thought i had last night, as i was trying to fall asleep, was for those folks without dirt to plant in...i'd totally be down for 1-2 people to share my upper yard, grow things in a raised bed or two, so they can have the experience. dK and red? might you be interested in this?
another thought I had last night was how I need to brush up on my permaculture knowledge. I took a design course summer 2004, have the design manual and was thinking how great it would be to do a monthly design reading group. Each month we'd read a chapter and review it together. This could coincide with a potluck social gathering. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:17 AMI don't know how soon I'll make it to a potluck, I should spend the time planting instead! But when I have something to share, then I'll show up. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:43 AMwhen i lived in santa cruz and to get rid of the gophers i would uncover a fresh mound of dirt that just got pushed up.... exposing the tunnel to light and air....
and then stand there real quietly with a 22 rifle pointed at the hole.... no more than 5 min later one of the little buggers would show up to find out why the tunnel was open... pop his head out once to take a look...
this was my get ready mark cause the next time he pop his head out... it was the last... burried them in their own tunnel and they never came back in that tunnel again...
I know... sick... but its my food... or them.... my food wins....
the wire under a raised bed should work... but it limits how deep you can till and dig the raised bed. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:58 PMahahahaha Chris, I am going to invite you over if I have gopher problems.
We could also do a walk through of each other's gardens on potluck night and make an analysis of the good and the problems going on in the garden to help us learn. The pool is officially open over here now so we can combine A pool party and garden party some night here.
Molly if you have any extra redwood boards I'd be stoked to have a few too for A raised bed.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 1:12 PMI've heard the Wrigley’s thing is a myth. According to UCD website anyway. So are chocolate laxatives. I’ve been using gas and it worked for a week or two. Then they ate another one down Monday morning. Anyway, I just hooked up my generator exhaust to the biggest hole I could find and I just let it run for about 20 minutes while I went up on the hill and buried anything that might be a hole.
I’m gonna kill the bastards one way or another.
Oh and yes I have baskets around all of the replacements and maybe I will dig up the other ones, but I am just in a killing mood right now!
Sick? F that . . . the little thieving bastards.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 1:21 PMsome people pour gasoline down the tunnels.... let it soak for a while... 5-10 min...
then a match down the tunnel... woof!!! it sucks the air out of the tunnels... and tada.. no more gopher!!!!
never done it before but it sounds like fun.. I still like shooting them... -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 2:15 PMGasoline? Hmm now that is interesting.
I was using those gas flare things that you light and stick in the hole. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 3:20 PMthat's not very organic.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 3:23 PMJust a .22? I thought those little bastards diserved a little larger artillery. :-) -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 3:46 PMJust use Erin's dog. -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:28 PMsend him down the tunnels!!! I think erins dog would fit.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:59 PMOrganic?
I guess it's better to have no garden then, eh? -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:32 PMGet an owl box and hope that a momma owl moves in. She'll eat several gophers a night. Yes Elise, Red and I would love to have a bed at your place. We'll help you build them. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 9:42 AMgophers rule...humans suck. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 10:44 AMI just sprayed all my plants with minced garlic and water in hopes it will deter munchers. I'll spray them once a week with this and see how it works. Also Neem oil and diatomateous earth are supposed to work to keep pests at bay...I think I'll pick some up and try it too. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 11:10 AMMy cat just left a big rat on the porch for me this morning! She must've got all the gophers already, that's what she usually gets. or they're hiding from her. I'll find out when I try to plant something. -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 8:01 AM
ok...back to one of the original questions here, people. ;-)
when do we all want to meet for a planning potluck meeting? i'm free from now until my mom arrives on June 3. what are peeps doing this weekend? next weekend? next week? -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 8:11 AMI'll be around this weekend, not next weekend and then again the following weekend. -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 8:14 AMLet's do some thing this weekend.
Friday night?
sunday? day/night?
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 1:30 PMSo, are you going to grow bananas?
I've got gophers. Wanna trade? -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 1:42 PM
can you grow bananas here? that would be rad.
i still wouldn't trade you for gophers. -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 7:22 PMSunday would be okay, but Tim has to work. Monday would be better, early afternoon. -
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 4:03 PMI think we are around Monday too. I'll check with the fam. -
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 11:16 AMAre we doing this? Potluck BBQ 2 p.m. at our place? Bring suits if you think it's hot enough. Let me know who's coming. -
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:28 PM
cool. i'll be there but doubt i'll swim....it's a little chilly out still. -
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Mon, May 26, 2008 - 12:45 PMYour the only one to reply so we'll probably load up the wood and take it to your place and then come back and Q. How's that sound? -
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 8:42 AMoh poo I guess you didnt get my post. I could use a few pieces too. If you have any left over I'd love some to build a raised bed.
We finished rototilling the rest of the back yard and turning in steer manure. I put in beans, lemon and japanese cucumbers, water and honeydew melons, summer squash, spaghetii squash, red and green lettuce. I was going to do corn, but I'm not up to dealing with the corn worms. I am SORE!!!! -
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 9:25 AM
Damn girl! i hope that's my yard next summer.
there was only enough for one bed. they forgot they sold the rest at their yard sale. -
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Tue, May 27, 2008 - 4:18 PMI'm pretty worked. We worked our asses off this weekend. I felt like an Amish family. My hands smelled like cow shit until this morning.
Now I have to keep the pests at bay and all will be fine.
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